[the.apple]

Don't get me wrong, I do like this manga and even the anime and live dramas. But after a while, I find these type of mangas very...tiring. When I'm reading or watching the drama, I scream: "Woman! Dont u have some pride?!!!". *sighs* Why is it 90% of shoujo mangas that I come across (and I read everything on mangafox =_=) has doormat shoujo heroines? Who lose their pride and dignity for the one they love? I mean, they scoop so low that I kinda pity them.

I'm sorry but I would'nt lose my pride like that, my love won't be worth it if I hafta scoop so low, and I have been in love.

Anyways, would you u choose love or your pride?

[iFranticShipper]

You experienced "LOVE" ? Sweetie, how old are you? Like 10~17?
That ain't love. That's called TEENAGE RELATIONSHIPS. For love, you would give up your pride.
And you say you experience love, but all teens say that.
Methods of usual teenage relationships ;
a) the boy / girl asks her / him out.
b) they hug, they kiss, and have sex.
c) the girl gets pregnant.
d) they break up.

90% of guys would want your virginity.
You're not going to marry him.
You're not going to be taking care of his children with him.
You're not gonna be growing old with him.

Teenage relationships are NOT love.

And why does Kotoko lack of pride? o___O
What, is it because she gets bad grades?

[bookwormd]

I think that's a little harsh. It's possible to experience love when you are a teenager. Sure, a great majority of these relationships will not stand the test of time, but that's normal. Not everyone can find life-changing love right off the bat.

As for pride vs. love... that's a tough one. When you give up pride completely for love, if it's for the type of person who will trample all over you, you grow to despise yourself. And by extension, you begin to detest your lover, for whom you threw away your pride for. However pride alone does not keep you warm at night, plus it induces all sorts of what-if regrets. It's easy to see the downside of either. I guess I would say to keep your pride, as long as it doesn't cost you too much.

[the.apple]

Originally Posted by iFranticShipper

You experienced "LOVE" ? Sweetie, how old are you? Like 10~17?
That ain't love. That's called TEENAGE RELATIONSHIPS. For love, you would give up your pride.
And you say you experience love, but all teens say that.
Methods of usual teenage relationships ;
a) the boy / girl asks her / him out.
b) they hug, they kiss, and have sex.
c) the girl gets pregnant.
d) they break up.

90% of guys would want your virginity.
You're not going to marry him.
You're not going to be taking care of his children with him.
You're not gonna be growing old with him.

Teenage relationships are NOT love.

And why does Kotoko lack of pride? o___O
What, is it because she gets bad grades?

okay firstly, I am NOT 10 or 17 years old. Please do not just assume things about someone without even knowing them. I mean, u can even click on my profile, and you'll find something bout me. And if I said I have been in love, please do not just disregard it with one of your theories, as bookwormd mentiond teenagers can fall in love, its just test against time. It does not matter what age u are, not everybdy will have ideal or desired love story, but you can have happily married 17-18 year old or 27 year old who havnt experienced love yet (my friend).

Anyways, the reason I dn't like heroines like Kotoko is not the fact that her grades are bad (I dnt really care bout that), its because she chases the guy endlessly, even when the guy bluntly rejects. It seems little masochistic to me. Fair enough u hav to lose bit of your pride for love, but dont u hav limits? Do u still chase them even when he insults u in every turn? I dont think so.

[jouxjoux]

Ok I'm not siding with anyone here. I'm just here to express this:

nooo, i don't see her as scooping low...!
in fact, I love Kotoko!

Among other similar shoujo manga's I've read, this is the one and only persistent character who does not strike me as scooping low... sometimes I wonder why.. but I guess it has to do with her unique quirky personality.. and you can't find a similar one in any other shoujo mangas, even if there is, I think this kind of char is rare.

she might be the one doing the sacrifices here, but she still has her pride. Have you ever seen her taking in his insults? she simply brushes him off (well if i rmb it correctly), although the 'not pretty' part did affect her. well she's a girl after all..

and plus she's such an admirable character...

she doesn't give up: doesn't give in to her shortcomings but continue to persist and work hard...tried becoming a teacher, and finally tried her hand in nursing (well major reason is cz naoki's a doctor, so no comments here -.-)
Everything about her, her stupidity, her determination...
I mean.. I really love this char!

the ones that striked me as 'scooping low', are the ones who would do something like offer their virginity and dignity for the sake of keeping their man by their side. I mean.. to do something like that to keep him, now that's low.

sex is an expression of love, not a mark of possession~

[xdarkangelgirl]

I would definitely pick pride over love. I think it's very stupid to be constantly made a fool just for love. I only watched the anime, but I really hate Kotoko. She is constantly chasing after a guy because of looks. Even when she repeatedly said over and over again that she wouldn't like him anymore, she easily changed her mind. She just seemed to forced her way into his life. She just doesn't seem to care about her dignity at all which just annoys me. I mean I was practically banging my head on my table when Kotoko jumped on Naoki during the track meet. I mean didn't she aimed to win to beat him?? Why did she risked it over something soo..stupid..? Although I'm only a teenager, I know I would never give up my pride for love.

I really high expectations for this anime. I was recommended by several of my friends AND my MOM. They said it was really romantic but I have to disagree. I thought that this story is very swallow. After 19 episodes, I still did not find this anime "romantic" so I dropped it. I'm sorry if I offended any of you, but that's just how I feel. You might view it as just my opinion, but to me, it's the truth.

[jouxjoux]

Originally Posted by xdarkangelgirl

I would definitely pick pride over love. I think it's very stupid to be constantly made a fool just for love. I only watched the anime, but I really hate Kotoko. She is constantly chasing after a guy because of looks. Even when she repeatedly said over and over again that she wouldn't like him anymore, she easily changed her mind. She just seemed to forced her way into his life. She just doesn't seem to care about her dignity at all which just annoys me. I mean I was practically banging my head on my table when Kotoko jumped on Naoki during the track meet. I mean didn't she aimed to win to beat him?? Why did she risked it over something soo..stupid..? Although I'm only a teenager, I know I would never give up my pride for love.

I really high expectations for this anime. I was recommended by several of my friends AND my MOM. They said it was really romantic but I have to disagree. I thought that this story is very swallow. After 19 episodes, I still did not find this anime "romantic" so I dropped it. I'm sorry if I offended any of you, but that's just how I feel. You might view it as just my opinion, but to me, it's the truth.

No, i couldn't help but agree.
The anime is just disappointing. Finally, I'm seeing someone with the same opinion here.

Yes, it's a disappointment. Why? They failed to capture the innocence, beauty and the true vibe of the manga. They made the anime simpler, warped it here and there to shorten it, and I don't like the final work.
They made it more dramatic, with a few added scenes and lines which sometimes just turn me off, coz its too cheesy, i mean it's too common.
Anyways this is just my opinion.
I highly recommend you to see the taiwanese version, though it kinda suck at the beginning. The ending's really cool though. made me squeal. worth the watch~

But concerning the topic, I see I haven't quite answered it. Of course, my answer would be pride. But that depends, really. Cause there are situations that will actually push you to point desperado, something like interracial relationships for example. and that's when I'll decide if I'll forgo pride..for love. ;D.. As long as the other will be happy. Then fine by me.