[absolute zero]

My biggest disappointment in bleach would have to be the whole character set up for ichigo.
Number 1 .I mean how the hell is some 15 year old boy supposed to beat a century old captain like kempachi zaraki.It just doesn't make scene. Number 2 . Also he some how lacks the will to kill any opponents witch is just fucking stupid.How the hell do you lack the instinct to kill another being?
Number 3. Another problem is not being to subjugate he's hollow side and all ways randomly getting these power ups out of nowhere.Exp. The battle with the fourth espada enough said.
He died two times by the fourth espada and yet for the most stupid absurd reason he came back to life because of he's hollow even tho it stated that if he died again he would not grant him any of he's power.
Theirs so many other problems with this manga that I'm considering to drop it completely.Reminds me of another manga called Naruto with the whole sasuka and wanting to save him thing.I mean don't get me wrong I would do that for a friend to but seriously there's a limit.

[ZERO PHOENIX]

My biggest disappointment in bleach would have to be the whole character set up for ichigo.

"Number 1. I mean how the hell is some 15 year old boy supposed to beat a century old captain like kempachi zaraki. It just doesn't make sense."

It's fiction. It happens. It's fiction. For example, how does Naruto and his gang of rookies take out members of Akatsuki left and right. How does Monkey D. Luffy destroy battalions of Naval Ships single-handedly. How does Renji's sword turn in a snake? It's fiction.


"Number 2 . Also he some how lacks the will to kill any opponents which is just fucking stupid. How the hell do you lack the instinct to kill another being?"

Contrary to your thoughts and profanity on the matter, this actually shows a tremendous amount of strength.
It's easy to just run around merking your opponents, but Ichigo feels that it should never be taken to that extreme. While he has been proven wrong and while I do feel that there are some people whom Ichigo should have taken out the game when he had the chance, the fact is he doesn't operate that way. Ichigo has a strong character and he feels that there is always an alternative. He sticks to who he is, what he is, and he does not believe in compromising his position just because the situation might be unfavorable to him. A common short-coming among some characters and people in real life is that they let their situations dictate their actions and then they want to make excuses and try to avoid responsibility. Ichigo doesn't roll that way. When he was fighting Kenpachi, Byakuya, Grimmjow, and even Ulquiorra, Ichigo refused to kill his opponent. He will not be swayed by the situation and he will not allow outside forces to change who he is and what he does.


"Number 3. Another problem is not being to subjugate he's hollow side and all ways randomly getting these power ups out of nowhere."

You actually have a point here. That's totally godmoding. Ichigo is always getting these crazy new powers, powers he had no indication of affinity towards prior, and that fight with Ulquiorra was a total DBZ rip. He gets rode on for most of the fight, even killed and all of a sudden, another transformation and another new power. Both of which were beyond his control.


"There are so many other problems with this manga that I'm considering to drop it completely. Reminds me of another manga called Naruto with the whole sasuka and wanting to save him thing. I mean don't get me wrong I would do that for a friend to but seriously there's a limit."

True. If your disdain is so great then perhaps you should simply read something else. There are plenty of manga on this site apart from Naruto and Bleach. However, there is a such thing as genre and cliche. Don't be surprised to find other titles quite similar to these two.

[Lord Jaxx]

Originally Posted by absolute zero

Number 2 . Also he some how lacks the will to kill any opponents witch is just fucking stupid.How the hell do you lack the instinct to kill another being?

I may have read you post wrong but are you saying that its bad because he doesn't want to kill his opponents?

I don't see whats so bad that he doesn't about the fact that he DOESN'T want to kill anyone, it just shows that hes not a cold blooded murderer that can kill people left and right which i think makes him a better character.

[absolute zero]

I'm sorry for any misunderstanding you guys but on number 2 I was just trying to state that some times you must kill your enemy when necessary.I mean when the time comes to fight aizen is he just going to beat him to a bloody pulp and if he is unable to deal the final blow aizen could come back and retaliate possibly killing ichigo and co.Zero phoenix about the last part of my writing I do not disdain or unacknowledged genre or cliche but I what I am trying to say is that some of the parts in the plot could have been changed to make it better instead of having the same old thing being dragged on time and time again.Also I do agree that I should not get mad at fiction and should hold such childish emotions inside myself or subjugate them in the near future.

[9hellsguy]

"Number 2 . Also he some how lacks the will to kill any opponents which is just fucking stupid. How the hell do you lack the instinct to kill another being?"

Right on! Ichigo is actually such a wuss! Come on man, that's just ridiculous! Still check this out:

Remember the time when Ichigo stood against Shirosaki the second time? Well, he was smacked around, punched in the face, stabbed, getsuga tensoued, and god knows what else Ogihci did to him! His hollow was a clear winner - there wasn't even a scratch on him! And then sudennly BAM!!!, Ichigo defeats him with ONE hit!!!! HOW?! HOW DID HE DO IT??!!! What did he @#&$%* do?! There's no exuse.

"Number 1. I mean how the hell is some 15 year old boy supposed to beat a century old captain like kempachi zaraki. It just doesn't make sense."

Well his father was a shinigami, and a legendary one, I think. So it's in the blood.

"Number 3. Another problem is not being to subjugate he's hollow side and all ways randomly getting these power ups out of nowhere."

Yeah, those power-ups are a bad thing, but his inner hollow rocks!!! He's number one!!!

Reminds me of another manga called Naruto with the whole sasuka and wanting to save him thing.I mean don't get me wrong I would do that for a friend to but seriously there's a limit.

That Naruto comment is really good, cuz I think the same, besides if I was Naruto I'd kill Sasuke for all he did, and found a way to control the Nine-Tailed Fox Demon within.

And hey, you can always return to reading it, when some interesting parts come out. And I can recommend a few other interesting manga's in the meantime, if you want, of course.

[Fayth Lynes]

I totally understand how you feel. I think exactly the same. ichigos fight against Ulquiorra was farce. It was ways beyound ridiculous, i mean, i cant find fitting words for this. It was like the autor was trying to provoke on purpose.
The fight was the most inbalanced one ive ever seen, even worse than every DBZ and Naruto fight, this cant be explained with the shounen genre anymore. Ichigo doesn't need to train, he simply turns "godmode = ON" to win even if his enemy is 5-times stronger like Ulquiorra was. And did any you notice? After Hollow-Ichigo got struck the last time, he turned back to normal, but did an instant total regenration after losing his hollow-form, WTF how does that work? No it doesnt have to work.

Originally Posted by ZERO PHOENIX

My biggest disappointment in bleach would have to be the whole character set up for ichigo.

"Number 1. I mean how the hell is some 15 year old boy supposed to beat a century old captain like kempachi zaraki. It just doesn't make sense."

It's fiction. It happens. It's fiction. For example, how does Naruto and his gang of rookies take out members of Akatsuki left and right. How does Monkey D. Luffy destroy battalions of Naval Ships single-handedly. How does Renji's sword turn in a snake? It's fiction.

Thats no excuse. If you compare Naruto and Bleach this way, do it right. For example considering that Ichigo beat kempachi shortly after becomming a shingami and with nearly no training, for naruto, it would've been the same when Naruto could've beat the jounins Guy and kakashi after he came out of the "death forest" around episode 60.

Was that the case? Of course not. You see, Naruto has a much better power balancing than bleach (apparently bleach has none at all). And in Naruto they use mostly tactics, theres nothing like this in bleach.
The main point is that ichigo never wins because he's stronger, he wins because he has to.

Well to be hornest, i really like Bleach. Many charas are cool (especially the evil ones) the fight are nice animated and the storyline is also great so far and very unique. There are many things i really like about bleach and could talk about.

But the not existing power balance and the random godmode for the main chara in ways i havend seen in any other manga to this extend is totally pissing me off.
So its very sad but ian also considering to drop this manga.

[aclockworkmochi]

I would have to say that Hitsugaya is so popular and that people actually pair him with Momo in a romantic way. But that is a disappointment in the fanbase, not in the series itself. I know it is petty, but I am very biased on this issue (enough to put it in my signature).

If there is a disappointment in the series, I might say that there are perhaps too many characters so that none of them seem to get enough focus. And some of the plot elements seem repetitive—the similarities between Yoruichi and Nel's cute mascot turned smoking hottie warrior acts for example.

[absolute zero]

I would love to obtain a list o f different manga from any one out there.Thanks for the offer 9hellsguy.

[absolute zero]

Oh ya I almost forgot to thank the people above for having my back.Thanks

[onehalfap]

My biggest disappointments are Ichigo and Orihime personally.

I say Ichigo because of the same reasons you stated, plus the fact he isn't well-balanced and still somehow defeats the toughest (Hichigo!!!) is crazy. Also, Ichigo takes things like bankai and Hollow powers and uses them left and right.

I say Orihime because she hasn't made use of her powers that well. She heals, that's about it. There's nothing bad about healing like how she does it, however, she lacks offense. One of her attacks would get a major boost in power provided she had at least a little bit more killing intent. Also, she doesn't put her black belt-level karate skills to use (Tatsuki stated she was a black belt level in karate).