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Old 05-27-2009, 06:25 PM   #1
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Arrow The great Uke Seme debate:

Ok people the time has come.

Wolfram or Yuuri
Uke or Seme
why?

Wolfram looks more like an uke.
but i think he has too much pride and personality to submit like that.
Unless he was a dominant uke. with complete control of the situation. ie BDSM type kool things.

even though I think Wolfram is more of an uke I will defend his right to Seme until the end.
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Old 05-30-2009, 04:47 AM   #2
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Oooo...difficult. I've been questioning this for awhile too. But I've thought, you know, can a person really be defined by this? I mean, maybe Yuuri can be seme sometimes. I personally think, that, despite his appearances, Wolfram is seme. (But maybe Wolfram is just trying to push Yuuri into manning up and being his seme!) There are moments for each- I mean, seme in a pink nightgown? Uke suddenly becoming the almighty Maou? It's hard to say.
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Old 05-30-2009, 06:06 PM   #3
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They can both be seme and uke.
They can switch turns ^^
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Old 06-01-2009, 11:30 PM   #4
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He may look like uke , but he isn't a uke at all , not even in manga or novel. In fact n the novel he is 100% diff then the wolfram anime. He very mature and manly.

I don't why the anime made he to look uke by wear that danm pink pj, the one in the manga s so much better on him and not so girl girly.

You know what not funny about wolfram be uke? is that fangirls what him to be trap mean by just wearing girl clothes. I see so many wrong fan art of him wearing a wedding dress. He not a she , if they what him to look/be girl then why not just drew breast on him. It not fair for him to be treat like girly uke. The office picture dose have hm in girl clothe b/c the fangirls what that. But there no girl clother on him in the office novel/manga picture.
I don't mind hm as manly/mature uke , But see him in girl clothes and be girly uke , piss me off. Wolfram 100% guy not girl

And about Yuuri .... What wrong with fans those days , I mean they what him to be a seme.
Since when Yuuri is bi/gay ? Just b/c he wear black and he a king does mean he should be seme.
Him be seme just make him OOC= Out of character, and no longer a the real yuuri.

The Author what Yuuri to end with this : ConYuu , GunYuu , WolfYuu , GweYuu, SaraYuu, MurYuu, And so on


Btw I find Wolfram very sexy as seme >_< and Yuur very cute as a uke.

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Old 06-02-2009, 01:09 AM   #5
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I don't like when Wolfram is dressed like a girl. He's a boy damnit and we all love him for that!

As for Yuuri being seme or not, I don't think that he could be a permanent seme but not a permanent uke as well. I think with practice and his hormones going wild, he could be a very good seme. I don't see him also as an uke. I mean it is not because he's kind and gentle and cute that he's uke and him being seme will not make him OOC. He could be seme in bed and outside the bedroom be the person that we all know. I don't know where that contradicts his personality.

This is why I think that Wolfram and Yuuri can be both uke and seme. They are passionate and hot-headed to be semes and cute and sweet to be uke.
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Old 06-02-2009, 01:18 AM   #6
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But yeah it it true that Yuuri is a very cute uke and Wolfram a very hot seme

But at the same time

Wolfram makes a very cute uke and Yuuri a very hot seme ^^

hmmmm

Wolfyuu or Yuuram?

I can't really choose ^^

And this is among the reasons I love YuurixWolfram
because they can switch turns. You have this feeling of equality in this couple ^^

So personally, I don't really care who is in top or not when these two are together. They always are good together in anything they do ^^
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Old 06-16-2009, 08:14 PM   #7
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i really love that wolfram wears the pink nighty.

you make a good point about them switching though. I was thinking this myself but some how it isn't a satisfying answer.

You know what i think. I think nothing ever happens because there both ukes.
i really think they need me to go in there and teach them how to do it right.
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Old 06-20-2009, 02:41 PM   #8
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Oh yeah >.> something I didn't like about their doujinshi is that in doujin, Wolf-kun acts like a girl o.O and they even drew him very girly... though it's funny, it made me feel disgusting =.=" even though in the anime, Wolf-kun sometimes wears pinky pf, he's still very manly in some ways... but in the doujin, I can guarantee that he's 100% a girl inside O.O
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Old 06-20-2009, 05:29 PM   #9
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I don't really understand this ukes theory...

If both are in love with each other, things will evolve naturally between them; from holding hands to a kiss to...

And Wolfram has many times made his move on Yuuri so he's far from being a shy person. It is just that Yuuri doesn't approve that *till now* When he will get rid of his denial, I am sure that everything will go fine between them.
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Old 06-20-2009, 06:25 PM   #10
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geez... shonen-ai is supposed to be about love that blossoms between two boys. How are we supposed to get that if one of the guys is really manly while the other is all, 'Teehee! I'm a pretty, weak boy!' and all girly? and the manly guy jumps on the girly guy from the beginning. I dislike that and this is why I dislike a lot of yaoi pairings >< *unfortunately the genre is full of these kind of couples. This is why yaoi fans have this strong idea of seme/uke with which they value couples. They simply got used to the idea*

Shonen-ai should be centered on love and emotion and not on this theory of seme/uke. Ok of course one of the two guys will be in the bottom while the other will be on top because this is how a sexual intercourse between two persons work. That's normal. But I don't understand why the uke should be the submissive girly cute boy while the seme the strong manly guy? in reality things don't happen like that. Two manly guys can sleep together and probably one of them have to be on top and two pretty boys can sleep together and like in each normal sexual intercourse, one of them has to top. That's all. I dislike strongly this stereotypical seme/uke relationship that doesn't have the slightest sense and that erase the essence of shonen-ai which should be love and romance.

So when two guys are in love, they will EVENTUALLY sleep with each other sooner or later depending on the characters of the two persons like each two normal persons who are in love. And they will learn how to do it by themselves like any two persons who are doing it for the first time *well I think it is the first time for Wolf ^^' don't know...*

So of course Yuuri and Wolfram WILL sleep with each other when Yuuri will return his feelings for Wolfram. And they will decide themselves who is gonna top or not. And what is interesting in this couple, is that we don't know who might top or bottom ^^

None of Yuuri or Wolfram is a shy person. Yuuri is a strong person. He matured a lot through the show and he showed in many occasions that when he has something in mind, he will do it. And I am sure that in the matter of love he might be the same. And come on like any normal teenager with hormones, he will want to kiss and do stuff to the person he loves. And like I said before, Wolfram is far from being a shy person. In the novel/manga, he jumped one time literally on Yuuri to sleep with him and made many moves on him *sleeping naked in his bed, wanting to wash his back...*

What I like in Yuuram is that this couple doesn't have any specific seme/uke relationship because this couple doesn't work that way. If you see the personalities of Yuuri and Wolfram , both can be uke or seme for each other depending of the mood.

It is just a pity that we don't see in the yaoi world, yaoi couples like Yuuram...
I love this genre but it is really not easy to find good couples and good plots *I am not saying that there are not good couples. There are excellent couples but a big number is not ><*. So when I saw Yuuram, I knew that this couple will be based on emotion; that the relationship between Yuuri and Wolfram will evolve slowly and steadily *it is obvious in the show that they got closer to each other* and their love will blossom gradually and steadily. And of course when this time will come, they will normally become intimate and here things will be HOT XD

So hmmm...sorry for all this rambling ^^'

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