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Mostly Harmless
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Philippines
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This is something that I have really wanted to do for a while now. To open a debate about the OTP of this fandom. I myself is a ConYuu Fan and I welcome any WolfYuu/YuuWolf fan to defend their pair and point out why you don't like ConYuu Pairing. I'm perfectly aware that those Wolfram/Yuuri fans are greater in number than ConYuu fans but I'm confident that I can respond and defend the pairing of my choice against them.
There are too many factors why I love ConYuu but I guess the most important thing is that they just look so comfortable together just being themselves and mutually enjoys each others company "everytime". Loyalty, trust, respect and mutual affection are what make their relationship works. There are only two things I think that would be a hindrance: Conrad's idea of loyalty and Yuuri's own confused sexuality(he still thinks he's straight, poor guy) don't you think so?
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I myself if a YuuRam fan o(^.^)o Well.... you see, Conrad-san cares so much about Yuuri-kun, but somehow I just feel that is some brotherly love, like Wolfram-kun and him >.> And in fact, I think Yuuri-kun just considers Conrad-san a brother, or a godfather, one who protect him all the time.... v.v I love YuuRam because Wolfram-kun thinks of Yuuri-kun as his fiánce, not as a king or a friend xD
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Bunny Boy
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Texas
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I support Wolfram/Yuuri/Wolfram (I don't care who's seme, they're both ukes on the inside.) but I'm not against ConYuu. I just like Yuuri and Wolfram because Wolfram reminds me of myself, and they would make such a funny couple. Even later on, when Yuuri is used to being king.
Wolfram: Love me! I command you! Yuuri: You can't command me! I'm you're king! Wolfram: Not anymore! I'm king, you're queen! Yuuri: You can't be king! I wann be king! You be queen! Wolfram: But then I'd be uke! I don't wanna be uke, you be uke! Yuuri: No, you be uke! Wolfram: We'll duel to decide! Yuuri: No, we'll play a round of baseball! Wolfram: Okay, rock, paper, scissors, duel or baseball? Ready, go! (...and so on...)
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Anyway in response to the seemingly brotherly or platonic relationship Conrad and Yuuri have I would like to point out things that happened in the anime: 1. The Conversation on the Ship That was Attacked by Pirates in Sailor Outfits. (I don't recall word for word but this is basically what they said) Conrad: (To Yuuri) If anything happens to you, Gunter and the whole kingdom would cry. Yuuri: How about you? Would you Cry for me as well? Conrad: (I don't actually remember exactly what he answered but basically he implied that he would follow Yuuri on his death. ) Conrad pretty much implied that he would commit seppuku or suicide if Yuuri dies and really that just really something Conrad would do for Wolfram and Gwendal as a brother. Ok, I'm being sarcastic. It just reminds me of the certain ending of a Shakespeare's play which I still think is pretty stupid. 2. Conrad's Priorities: Conrad's main priority above all else is Yuuri. He would not hesitate to kill even a close friend if this friend does something wrong with Yuuri. (Conrad did threaten Yozak at the time they had retrieved the Demon Sword.) He could forgive anyone no matter what pain they had caused him if Yuuri had already forgiven them.( Remember Huber.) He would do anything, even stand as the villain, if he thinks this would help Yuuri(Betrayal Arc...duh....) It also crossed my mind that the only reason that Conrad values his life is because Yuuri still needs him and if he dies Yuuri will be sad. I still have many things to add but I am currently trying to find fanfics about Rolo Lamperouge of Code Geass. He's my current obsession.
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Join Date: Jan 2009
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I am Yuuram/Wolfyuu fan ^^
why I do like the pairing? well it is because of the equality between Yuuri and Wolfram. Both can be uke and seme. Both have the same age (well if we calculate the age of wolfram regarding earth time, he's pretty much 16), same heigh, same passionate temper. There is this sharing bond between them. I can't explain that but they are so so good together. Wolfram have changed a lot because of Yuuri and Wolfram is always pushing Yuuri to be the best with his personality. And beside I can imagine them pretty well being two kings and ruling the kingdom, growing up together. It is really a beautiful sight. And besides Wolfram is so obviously in love with Yuuri and I know that Yuuri cares a lot about him even though he is still debating with his homophobia principles ^^ There is the engagement, Greta, the two sleeping in the same bed, Wolfram always following Yuuri, the kiss...I mean everything shows that these two are meant to be a couple ^^ And beside in the novels there are really much more hints. Yuuri is always at awe at Wolfranm's beauty calling him angel, he did even have a wet dream about him, he also acknowledged their engagement... their relationship is really deep... hmmm with all my respect to Conrad, I will explain why I don't like Conyuu ^^ (sorry ok?) well first off I don't like this obvious relationship of seme/uke where the seme is much older and bigger than the uke and the uke a cute little boy. It might be my personal opinion but I don't like that. Beside personally, I think that Conrad and Yuuri don't look good together at all while when he's with Wolfram he's really eye catching (this is my opinion ok? it is really subjective). Ok this is for the aspect Now... Conrad is like a father, godfather and protector of Yuuri. It is him who allowed his birth, put his soul and gave him a name. It is like he gave birth to him and he's his spiritual father. What he didn't do is sleep with Jennifer but for everything else, he really did the role of the father *so it is really not good to imagine them together* As for Yuuri he loves Conrad of course but not in a romantic way. He sees him like as a big brother, his personal guardian and he even calls him "the one who named me" (which is not a very romantic name for me ^^). You mentioned the talking between Conrad and Yuuri on the ship. Weeell I mean it is not like something very flagrant. It is obvious that Conrad could say something like that. A father can say pretty well the same thing to his son, or two brothers or two very good friends. And for all the saving, well this is Conrad's job. He must do that. I think that we should not get confused with the many types of love ^^' there are many kind of love you know. The love of Conrad is a guardian love while for Wolfram it is a romantic love Beside the fact that Conrad never looks jealous or something. At the contrary he seems kind of happy when Yuuri and Wolfram are together. hmmm ok I guess this is everything |
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Truth be told this is actually one of the reasons why ConYuu fans doen't like WolfYuu pairing. It isn't healthy for a king to have a partner who is always insecure and jealous and bratty over the people Yuuri gets acquainted with. We believe as a king, Yuuri need a much understanding partner who can act as a mentor to him which is Conrad. We might consider Wolfram if he could act as like his real age which is what? 82? Quote:
Incest refers to any sexual activity between closely related persons (often within the immediate family) that is illegal or a social taboo. The type of sexual activity and the nature of the relationship between persons that constitutes a breach of law or social taboo vary with culture and jurisdiction. Some societies consider it to include only those who live in the same household, or who belong to the same clan or lineage; other societies consider it to include "blood relatives"; other societies further include those related by adoption or marriage. None of this actually referred to Conrad and Yuuri, does it? As for Yuuri seeing Conrad in a romantic way, I actually thought Yuuri does think of Conrad in a special way. Romantic or not that is the question. But he does think of Conrad in a more special way than he thinks of Wolfram. Did Yuuri ever got insecure or jealous with other people that is close to Wolfram particularly that girl fiance which I couldn't remember? However, Yuuri did got insecure over Julia when it comes to Conrad. And when Conrad is the one to leave Yuuri is much more emotionally affected and lost that Conrad is not by his side. While when its Wolfram, Yuuri is in shock but amazingly clear-headed and was already planning his "let get Wolfram back" plan. Interpret that in anyway you want. "Nazukeoya" actually is what Yuuri calls Conrad. Its actually quiet romantic if you ask me. But I do remember that when Yuuri first saw Conrad he calls the older guy a "knightly prince" in his thoughts. Quote:
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I don't really have a reason for LOVING the Yuuram/Wolfyuu pairing. if i had to pick its because me and wolf are alike plus i have really fallen for him
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You said yourself that the relationship between Yuuri and Conrad is a friendship relationship. So which means that they are friends. And don't mistaken me, I like this close friendship between these two but that's all. They are good friends who care for each other. I saw them like that from the beginning and after watching many time the episode, I always see them like that.
You said also that Wolfram is not mature. Well Wolfram is the character who changed the most during the series because of Yuuri (and this is among the reasons I love Wolfram). It is obvious that in season 3, he became much more mature. And beside, when you think that your fiance is flirting, you will not stay quiet and just observe. And in the novels Wolfram is quiet different from the anime. He's very mature and I love him a lot. He's always ready to sacrifice his happiness for Yuuri. As for the seme/uke part, well in the novels Wolfram is obviously the seme. As for the future, I don't think that Yuuri will grow up that much XD I mean look at Conrad, since he's older than Wolfram so he must have at least 100, and he's still look like a 25 year old man. I don't understand a lot at which rate the Mazoku and half Mazoku grow up but anyway that's not important. You know your arguments are quiet interesting and I do respect them a lot. But they are not convincing at all in my opinion. Each time I read one of your argument, I compare it with a Yuuram argument and the Yuuram part always win in my book (for me ok? don't take it personal. It is just my opinion). Well I guess no more can be add. I am a Yuuram fan and you are a Conyuu. That's all. See ya ! |
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Oh you like me? ^^'
That's so nice from you *smiles* I like you too. I though that you would hate me *grins* I mean that I am a rabid Yuuram fan myself. Thank you for your kind words And honestly speaking, it is rare to see a Conyuu fan like you. Usually they are so aggressive and they always bash Wolfram (and I hate that because Wolfram is an awesome character). I don't like to speak to them. It is not that I don't like themselves, I mean each one of us has his own taste but I don't like their behaviors. But I guess that you *Conyuu fans* see us that way too. So I guess that we are all a bunch of passionate, overreacting, helpless people *smiles* It can;t be helped ^^ Look I love debates but I don't want to open one with you for the simple reason that I don't want it to drift to an aggressive way. So you can say that it is for your sake and mine XD But I just want to add one thing; about the feelings of Wolfram, Yuuri and Conrad First off; Wolfram It is obvious and it is canon that Wolfram loves Yuuri. He's in love with him. You CAN'T deny that. The strong point of Yuuram is that we know the nature of the love that Wolfram has for Yuuri. So at least, we don't have to worry about that ^^. Wolfram is very clear with his feelings and we all know that he wants to be with Yuuri and he will be happy being with him. This is the strongest point of Wolfram; that he is in love with Yuuri. So here there is not debate over the fact that if he is in love with Yuuri or not. He's in love with him and that's a fact and a very important part of the story. And this is why, us, Yuuram fans are so exited for this couple ^^ And also Wolfram is a martyr; an unrequited love is one of the most difficult things to experience. This is why I feel this sympathy for Wolfram. When you watch him, you really can feel him frustrated and he really do look lonely for me *hugs Wolfram* and by the way, I admire him for his courage and strong spirit. Even though, Yuuri isn't showing him the interest he wants, he's always ready to stay by his side and he's always happy with the tiniest affection that Yuuri shows him. I really can't forget when Wolfram disobeys his brother, wore random clothes and followed Yuuri to the end of the wrold just to find him. He did that twice in the novels. This is the extent of this love. He's really in love with Yuuri and is serious about this engagement. Beside the fact, that I am impressed about how much Wolfram changed for Yuuri. You know how much he hated humans; he changed for Yuuri and he even saved a human child and adopted one. He's more humble and modest now. When he was searching for Yuuri, Giselda was even surprised by his behavior, that he's doing things that he would never have done before Yuuri. Wolfram is maturing, he's growing up to be a suitable partner for Yuuri. I love him for doing this effort so naturally for the person he loves. I really do admire this character. He's a very deep person and he's ready to do everything for the one he loves. He was also ready to show trust for Yuuri even though he might be boiling inside and this is what he did in season 3 (with all the Sara issue). I really do love him as a character and I do think that he's a suitable partner for Yuuri. One day, if Yuuri is really gonna marry him, he will be an admirable and wise king. He changed in such a positive way and matured in a small amount of time because of Yuuri. And it is just the beginning. Ok now Yuuri Look I will not talk about Yuuri because he's clueless and he cares for everybody so I can't really base my judgement over his behavior ^^' Conrad I think that Conyuu fans see the kind of love for Yuuri differently from what other people see it. I think that you analyze things a little too much ^^' I mean who told you that Conrad is suffering and stuff? Maybe he's very fine and happy that Yuuri is a king and engaged to the second person he loves the most in the world *wolfram* I mean he's FINE. I don't see where he's suffering here? The one time I saw him really worked up was over the fact that he was betraying his king and this is why he didn't want to get back with his family to Shin Makoku. Other than that, he seems to be very ok to me. Ok he's mature but he's not stone, you know. If he was in love with Yuuri, he would have shown that sooner or later (with all the people flirting around Yuuri). But he didn't show that because simply he doesn't have for Yuuri the kind of love that you think he has. I mean there is no proof about what you are saying. And usually animes are very straight forward in what they want to show because unlike novels they can't describe things a lot. But I can understand why it might be confusing because we don't really know what Conrad is thinking. But if he is really not thinking about anything? And this is the weak point of the Conyuus; that you are SUPPOSING that the love that Conrad has for Yuuri is romantic love while it might be not *and I am sure it is not but I am using the word "might" for you*. And personally, it is not romantic love and will never be. You have no proof that he is in love with Yuuri. You are seeing the love of Conrad for Yuuri in a way that doesn't exist. I mean who told you that Conrad is in love with Yuuri ? ^^' These are just assumptions from you... I mean if you think about it, than Adelbert should be also in love with Yuuri because Adlbert was Julia's fiance and he was in love with her and you still see how much he is still suffering because of her loss. But it is not the case. And you know very well that in season 2 he promised himself to always take care of Yuuri *like Conrad* (because he's the recipient of Julia's soul). If Adelbert who hated Yuuri at first made this vow (and that's without falling in love with him) so it is the same case for Conrad. Julia was an important person for him and he became responsible of her soul after she died. He helped in the birth of Yuuri and gave him a name. So after all this no doubt that he's so protective over Yuuri and cares about him and has a deep affection for him. But there is no romantic love in all this. If you think about it, it is Adelbert who deserves Yuuri's love (poor Yuuri XD) because Julia also loved Adelbert. But it was Shinou who chose Conrad to take care of Julia's soul. So the feelings of Conrad and Adelbert are very similar with the difference that Conrad is more involved since he took care of Yuuri's birth and he's his bodyguard now. So this is to tell you that Conrad loves indeed Yuuri but he loves him first because he's Julia's recipient (he said that many times), as a friend, protector, big brother and a king. He has a lot of affection for Yuuri but well... I really don't see romantic love in all this ^^ There is NO proof of that. I mean think about it, if your brother or sister or close friend betrays you it is normal that you become upset and worked up. And same thing for Conrad and Yuuri. And I have another proof that Conrad is not in love with Yuuri; do you remember the second episode where Cecilia put a special perfume in Yuuri's bath? This perfume intensifies the feelings of whoever comes in contact with the person who has the perfume on him; which means that if a person has the tiniest feeling of love for said person AKA Yuuri, it will intensify automatically and same thing for feelings of dislike. Well the reaction of Conrad was NONE which means that he doesn't have the kind of feeling that you are talking about while for example Gunter overreacted XD (well we all know that Gunter is in love with Yuuri XD even though no one take the feelings of the poor guy seriously). So this is all I have to say Well there are also other things but well I am tired and this is all I want to say Bye |
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