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11-05-2009, 10:49 AM
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The Power of Alice Stones & Stealing Alice
Guys I have several things that bugging me after I read Alice Gakuen this last 3 days... I hope u can help me understanding some things~
Point One We've been introduced to alice stone from early chapters by Tono's amplification alice stones (that Mikan and Tsubasa put to great use in the forest with the Medusa tree) At that time, the purple color was fading pretty visibly because of the power usage... http://www.mangafox.com/manga/gakuen...7/c037/13.html However, Natsume has been holding the healing Alice stone gave by Hotaru's brother (forgot his name) since he wasn't even born... http://www.mangafox.com/manga/gakuen...0/c120/26.html http://www.mangafox.com/manga/gakuen...07/c039/5.html Is the Healing stone still have the healing ability by now?? Point Two HOW did Yuka steal all of Inchou's Alice? and how come all of Inchou's Alice can be contained by a single small Alice stone? http://www.mangafox.com/manga/gakuen...8/c045/13.html While in Narumi-sensei case, Yuka couldn't steal Narumi's Alice even after so many Alices stones she created. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/gakuen...9/c108/27.html Point Three If the power of Alice that is insterted to one's body, in example like Tsubasa's time-slip Alice he got from Nodacchi, he said it can be disappear from his body eventually right? The power isn't permanent, right? http://www.mangafox.com/manga/gakuen...9/c107/18.html And what I don't understand is... What about the Longevity Alice Yuka put into Hii-san body long time ago, or Nullification Alice Yuka put into Elementary School Principal also years ago? They can't stay there forever, right? or can they? http://www.mangafox.com/manga/gakuen...9/c109/26.html Please join the discussion! ^o^ ============================ EDIT: Please read the whole thread (all posts) first before attempting to join the discussion, please do read people's answers as they have really good answers. Try to comment or add points of other posts too, if you would. Last edited by fathskie; 11-07-2009 at 03:44 PM. |
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11-05-2009, 11:07 AM
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11-05-2009, 11:13 AM
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11-05-2009, 11:54 AM
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11-05-2009, 06:11 PM
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To be completely honest, I haven't figured out the first two points myself, although I have guesses xD
Point one: Hard to say. Perhaps Natsume hasn't even used it much or at all, but then again, it's possible to use the stone unconsciously, right? Hmm... Point two: I've been wondering for a while why Yuka couldn't extract all of Narumi's Alice, too. My best guess goes to the fact that Narumi's Alice has been referred to as quite strong (and therefore in need of Alice control devices to keep it in check), whereas Inchou's is probably still developing. *shrug* Point three: I think some Alice stones can have varying levels of power in them, depending on the feelings the creator put into them. Also, from the looks of it, Hi-sama had a bunch of longevity stones so it's also possible that Yuka inserted more than one into Hi-sama, hence why they could still be working. As for the ESP...I don't have much of an answer there xD But, someone did mention that the measures Yuka took were purely temporary, so maybe that's what he was referring to - the nullification Alice stone that would one day disappear. |
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11-05-2009, 06:34 PM
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Point one
I don't know what to tell you Point Two There is a theory going out that Narumi has the unlimited alice and that is why Yuka couldn't steal all of his alice since normally, the stealing alice takes all of the users alice from them. I do not know if the theory with Narumi is true though Point Three Hii-sama had multiple Longevity alice stones, not just one.
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11-05-2009, 09:57 PM
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Point Two
I believe this is because Narumi's alice is one that affects himself more then others (eg. his beauty, his pheromone) and Inchou's alice is one that affects the nerve system of others (eg. fear, illusion). Narmi's is something thats not just inside of him; it seems like it's in his natural genes, while other hand, Inchou's alice is not. Hope this helped at all  . But, I think it would be good to come to your own conclusuion from others theorys  .
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11-05-2009, 10:42 PM
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the reason why she couldn't steal all of inchou's alice is bc narumi is an unlimited. i think yuka said something about that. she said no matter how many times i try to extract it itll still be there. Point 3 thats bc yuka inserted a million longevity alice stones into hii-sama's body. i think the reason why its still in ESP is because it only affects him if he tries to use his alice. since he hasn't tried to use it in a while the alice stones are still there. maybe the fact that he is so young is that he kept trying to use his alice but everything backfired. like when he tries to use it he just gets younger and doesn't make another clone of himself. then since he split himself in half he stays the same age and doesn't get older. so if he tries to use it he'll just split whatever age he is now in half and he wont grow anymore so he wont be ESP anymore. wow i just confuzzled myself  Point 1 that alice stone was from his mom not tsubasa. it said that in ch 120... all in all these questions will probably be answered later on in the manga. remember its still ongoing and we probably know just as much as you do if not a tiny bit more.
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Yuka clearly stole Luna's alice but... she still has it up to today's time (Mikan's time) oh and speaking of Luna, how can she be a little kid again?? o.0 Quote:
So you don't think that the phenomena of he stop aging was the work of Nullification alice? Because otherwise, the Nullification alice actually on function 24/7, fighting ESP's time... (not only fighting ESP's alice) and in result, of course the power stored in that Alice would be reduced. Then can I clarify, so in your opinion, what cause the ESP to stop aging..? was it Persona's alice? Quote:
Oh and about the alice stone was being given by Natsume's mom (from Yuka - and from Imai), I was perfectly aware of it, I even provided the link to the exact page of it. I think u somehow miss my points here... o.0 Last edited by fathskie; 11-05-2009 at 11:05 PM. |
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11-06-2009, 07:20 AM
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Point One
The power of Alice Stones actually vary, that's why some last long and some don't. I think they are usually based on how strong the Alice User is, and how 'potent' they are. Yuka mentioned this once (the potency matter) when she received the Barrier Alice Stones from Hii-sama and Shiki when she left the Academy: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/gakuen...0/c119/17.html That's why she was able to use the Barrier Alice Stones all along when she was hiding from the pursuers. I guess potency can be determined through the size too. Natsume's Healing Stone (made by Subaru Imai-->Yuka-->Kaoru-->Natsume) must be one of those who had strong potency, from the fact that when Subaru created it, it was this big--> http://www.mangafox.com/manga/gakuen...0/c113/11.html, and Yuka had used it many times already, therefore when she handed it over to Kaoru, it was reduced to a smaller size. Meaning: all Alice Stones can be used up, and judging from how many times Natsume had probably used it (because in all fairness, if he wasn't using it during his fits, he must've died already >.<), that Healing Stone would be gone in a short while. Well... Let's hope Subaru could give him another one anytime soon >.> Point Two From what I understand, Alices with the Unlimited shape (they are usually among the DA class members, and the principal students perhaps=remember students with highly potent alices are usually among the top ranks) cannot be fully stolen by the Stealing Alice (well, thus the term unlimited). Narumi's Alice is one, and he was in the former DA class, so that explains why Yuka cannot steal everything of his Alice. It's the same with Persona (remember the stone Yuka stole from him that she used to insert inside the ESP's body?). Luna is one too, since she was still able to use her alice despite being stolen by Yuka (that time when they fought and their friendship broke), however I'm not sure why she was so angry about it when Mikan stole hers in ESP's office and demanding it to be given back--well, let's just say, I'll be betting Mikan's stealing alice could be stronger than Yuka's if it would be harnessed, and she MIGHT have actually stolen all of Luna's alice. (Mikan, go train and get stronger!! >.>) On the other hand, Iinchou, despite being a 3-star student, has a low potency kind of alice, and is not, of course, unlimited. It's probably the same with Hotaru and all the other 'normal' students. So, I could guess they all can be stolen. (I dunno about Mikan though [I bet she could steal even unlimited alices if trained]...Hers, Izumi's, and Yuka's alices are so mysterious~~). Point Three Yes, the Alice Stone's inserted into one's body can be used up. It goes the same with the Longevity Alices that Yuka inserted in Hii-sama's body--it just seems 'permanent' because Hii-sama has lots of those Longevity stones and Yuka could either have inserted one after the other when the former is used up, or slammed a whole lot of it in her body (when she left the academy). ABOUT THE STONES INSERTED INSIDE ESP'S BODY Okay, so far, this is what I can deduce from that very unclear matter--involving this talk about the potency and using up of inserted alice stones, etc. The stones Yuka inserted in ESP's body will be used up in time--and I'm guessing why it's so slow is most probably related to the potency of the stones (remember how big the two stones were??) and then, the fact that ESP doesnt use the powers of the stones contributes to the slow emptying of the stones. Related Question: Why doesnt he just use the powers of the Alice stones (Nullification and Mark of Death) so they would be used up and gone from his body? -> Using either one of the alice stones would be dangerous for him. If he uses the Mark of Death, he would rot himself too, just like what happens to Persona. Persona has better control of his Alice now that's why he can live with it, but if the ESP does use it, he might just rot or whatever that's why he doesnt use it. And if he uses up the Nullification stone (that also blocks his usage of his Clone Alice), he will DIE. Because, the Nullification stone also blocks the spread of the Mark of Death Alice inside his body, and if it's gone, he'll rot and die, that's why he doesnt use it, even if he cant use his Clone Alice too, and even if both are backfiring at his body (the reason why his body was shrinking). So that's why he has no other choice but to get someone to steal the stones from his body,and why he's so dead on capturing Yuka and Mikan--because he is already cornered. If he doesn't get it stolen on time he will either: a) Shrink...to death  Or shrink into a baby that he cant do anything worth his ambitions anymore.b) If the Nullification stone is used up before the Mark of Death stone, he will rot to death.
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